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RE: orion: Scholars and Others [was: Altman and Crowder]

How would you "classify" for example Professor Eisenman on 
the one hand and Allegro on the other.



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-----Original Message-----
From:	Tim L Phillips [SMTP:tiphillips@InfoAve.Net]
Sent:	Friday, December 19, 1997 10:25 AM
To:	orion@mscc.huji.ac.il
Subject:	Re: orion: Scholars and Others [was: Altman and 

Nichael, Paul, and Next,


Nichael- actually I did have a bad experience with the guy 
on the bus who did
a horrible job. And I take you don't want to hear my 
rebuttals to Einstein...

Paul- I really wasn't accusing anyone of elitism! And you 
did exactly what I
wanted. I am familiar with the processes you outlined but I 
thought a good
reminder was in order. Yet, I do think that more of (us) 
"day job" guys are
getting closer to making real or noticeable contributions 
(them, not me ;^)
)...because of what we are now doing.

That was what the last bit was about, and trying to get a 
reaction concerning
"an expansion of (any) intellectual community (them, not 
me)" due to
"Internet" type tools. At least the discussions don't stay 
in the office. (I
would have much preferred that my old history prof call me 
a twit in an
e-mail, or "netmeeting"  without me having to drive 200 
miles!) I'm a teacher
in a public school (my degree was terminal) and I can't 
help to wonder about
academics, scholarship, and the Net.

Thanks again,

Tim Phillips


Nichael Cramer wrote:

> Tim L Phillips wrote:
> > If "scholarship" occurs outside of a university setting 
is it still
> > "scholarship" and how valued will it be by those in 
that setting if it
> > originates outside that setting?
> I think the point, to be fair is, is not that it is 
_impossible_ for such
> serious scholarship to appear outside of a standard 
academic environment.
> It's just --frankly-- that the odds go way, way down.
> Several folks here have already invoked the myth of 
"contributions" made
> by the proverbial lone genius, without credentials 
working in splendid
> isolation.  To the extent that such things actually 
occur, its worth
> pointing out that for every one of those guys there are 
ten thousand
> cranks pushing their trisections of angles, alternate 
versions of General
> Relativity or some other pet theory that could be shown 
to be gibberish
> by any first year grad student in the field.
> In short, there really _are_ credentially, competent 
people working in
> these disciplines and the overwhelming majority are found 
in exactly the
> places where you would expect to find them.
> To ask a slightly silly version of this question, would 
you let the
> stranger sitting next to you on the bus home tonight take 
out your
> appendix?  Why not?  She _might_ be the world's greatest 
surgeon, who just
> happened not to go to medical school.  What do you know? 
 Can prove
> otherwise?
> --
> Nichael Cramer
> work: ncramer@bbn.com
> home: nichael@sover.net
> http://www.sover.net/~nichael/