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Re: Dating, Monastaries, and Qumran Calendar

On Sun, 12 May 1996 LECHEM777@delphi.com wrote:
> They do though reflect the ways of their times.      Certainly with the
> mention of Alexander Jannaeus (d. 76 BC) in 4Q448, we are dealing with
> "normative" beliefs of a much earlier period than 30-70 BC. Certainly
> Christians and Rabbis would have been mentioned otherwise. And since
> Jannaeus was mentioned and praised, he was not part of the R. Teacher/W.
> Priest drama. He was later. <Snip>
E Main on Monday at the Conference here in Jerusalem questions wheither 
4q448 does in fact praise Jannaeus. She argues that it is in praise of 
God who will save us from "King" Jonathan.
I was sitting next to Magen Broshi today so I asked him about the earlier 
question on my quoting his reasons, and conclusions as to why we are 
dealing with a monastary at Qumran. He reaffirmed my notes as quoted 
earlier. 52 burials dug up. 8 women only. These 8 were at the margins, 
with bones heaped rather than laid supine, with iron nails nearby 
indicating repackaging for reburial. He said a German physician examined 
the pelvic bones to determine the sex. He said Pliny and Chrystisom said 
it was a monastary. He was convinced. Over and out.
I never could follow the calendar arguement here on Iudaous. Talmon 
raised it on Sunday. He explained to me afterwards that everybody knew 
his position so he didn't bother to state it. I played dumb and said that 
I never heard of him before so could he explain to me why he seemed to 
think that the New Coventers at Qumran felt that they were not changing 
the calendar.
 He said that there were many indices that there were three posible 
calendars in existance. Solar, lunar, and mixed. I pointed out to him 
that any calendar that was only 364 days would process ie go forward in 
the seasons. He said that he thought that they had to forms of leap year; 
one which added a week every so often, and one which added two weeks. (I 
forgot the number of years for this. But this would be needed to keep the 
calendar so the year always starts on a Wednesday). I asked him why 
Wednesday? He said that the Sun and moon are created on the fourth day. 
OK but still wasn't that a change from the calendar in use. He seemed to 
think that they, the New Coventers didn't seem to think so.
 Yours Pinchas Richard Wimberly, Jerusalem