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Re: orion HIPPOLYTUS EMBROIDERS?
Hello - my apologies, I was away from my mail.
I am a bit surprised at the question, since I assume that your theory
(that
Hyppolytus had another source available to him, now unknown) surely also
rests on the feeling that there are extra bits in the account, not
directly
mentioned in the sources we now know.
As to what I said - see for example book IV/18, passage on women :
"As far as women are concerned, though it is necessary to be attentive to
their benevolent advice, they (Essene) have no trust in them (women);
they
in no way confide in women"
The notion that "it is necessary to be attentive to their benevolent
advice" is indeed not found in any of the known sources, however, rather
than assume that Hippolytus had an extra source for this item, I would
think he was simply less misogynist than the writers he was quoting, and
tried to soften the sentiment expressed, without, however, changing it
radically. It seems to me that all Hippolytus' innovations on the known
sources are items of this order. If you disagree, could you point out
some
particular thing that, to you, definitely suggest the existence of an
extra
source?
Best regards, Asia
At 06:12 PM 9/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>This is the 2nd time I send this message. I didn't notice it showing up
>in recent postings, so I thought I'd try again. I really DO desire an
>answer.
>
>
>From: George.X.Brooks
>To: orion@mscc.huji.ac.il
>Subject: Re: orion HIPPOLYTUS: THE ESSENE TEXT
>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:45:29 -0400
>Message-ID: <19980915.223949.9798.10.George.X.Brooks@juno.com>
>References: <3.0.32.19980914112847.00aa1610@199.203.73.197>
>
>TO: Asia Lerner
>
>Could you please elaborate about his extravagance regarding the
>Saduccees?
>
>And what do you think he has embroidered on the lengthy passage
regarding
>the Essenes?
>
>George.X.Brooks@Juno.Com
>
>
>
>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:28:49 +0200 asia@checkpoint.com writes:
>>At 08:22 PM 9/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>>You asked if Hippolytus was copying from Josephus. Once you read the
>>>text, I think you will believe that Josephus and Hippolytus were
>>writing
>>>from some PRIOR text.
>>
>>This very same Hippolytus is a corner stone of Del Medico's "The Myth
>>of
>>The Essenes". Del Medico's theory is that Hippolytus' text is the
>>source of
>>the Essene passages in Josephus, these passages being a late (3-4th
>>century) insertion, not written by Josephus originally.
>>
>>On my part, it seems to me that there are few things in Hippolytus
>>that
>>cannot be derived from one of the Big Three : Philo, Josephus and
>>Pliny,
>>and the notion of an original source prior to Josephus and Hippolytus
>>seems
>>unnecessary. Hippolytus simply has a tendancy for embroidering on his
>>sources - this is as obvious in the passage on Sadduccees as it is in
>>the
>>passage on the Essenes.
>>
>>
>>All best, Asia Lerner
>>
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