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Re: orion Judah "the Essene"?

On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 RGmyrken@aol.com wrote:

>   Having read Stephen Goranson's excellent article, "Posidonius, Strabo and
> Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa as Sources on Essenes" in JJS 1994, 295-298, I am
> struck by how all our major sources on the Essenes derive from the time of
> Herod the Great....  Traditions of earlier "Essenes" are IMO mistakes at
> best, or at worst a deliberate Herodian-era fiction intended to give a
> respectable pedigree to Herod's pet sect.
> -- Russell Gmirkin

What is  the earliest mention of the Sadducees? And how long before
Herod were the Essenes around, or did Herod create them?