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Re: orion Hasidim, Sadducees, Essenes & Qumran

At 17:25 02/08/97 -0400, RGmyrken@aol.com wrote:
>    (1) I recently argued at the Jerusalem Congress that several major texts
>including 1QM, CD, 1QS, 1QSa were originally composed during the
>Hasidim/Maccabean revolt.  This Hasidim literature was probably used in later
>times by both Sadducees and Essenes who claimed the Hasidim as spiritual

I would find it helpful to use a more precise definition than the ambiguous
"Sadducees," and to define Essenes more precisely, as I can't determine if
they are used consistently later in your presentation.  By Sadducees, to
which sect described in MMT do you refer, the Qumran / Khasidim Tzedoqim or
the Pseudo-Tzedoqim in the Beyt Ha-Miqdash in Yerushalaim?  Can you define
your use of Essenes in terms of Tzedoqim, Perushim and/or other orientation?

>    (3) The Hymn to King Jonathan and other Sadducean texts at Qumram
>indicate the fortified estate was occupied by Sadducean aristocratic
>partisans of King Jonathan (Jannaeus) from 76-63 BCE, as per Jos., Ant.

Here, if I understand correctly, you refer to the Qumran Tzedoqim and NOT to
the Pseudo-Tzedoqim?

>    (4) But under Herod, royal and private estates were seized from his
>opponents (e.g. Sadducees) 

Which are these?

and awarded to his friends (e.g. Essenes).  

And which are these?

Yirmiyahu Ben-David
Paqid 16, Qehilat Ha-Netzarim (Nazarene Jews)
Ra'anana, Israel