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Re: Herod-era and DSS
>Greg Doudna writes:
>> But here is a question for you, Russell. Your "sectarians"
>> of the first BCE--who are they? According to Josephus,
>> the "sadducees" carried influence during the first part
>> of the 1st BCE, then lost power. Perhaps Qumran literature
>> emerges from this context? And forget Essenes--who may
>> be the first-century CE successors of this formerly-powerful
>> party or philosophic school or association, by another name.
>> Isn't it strange that the rabbis knew first- and second-
>> century CE heterodox types as "sadducees" and seem never
>> to have heard of Essenes? What is going on here?
>> Best wishes and looking foward to your War Scroll article--
>> Greg Doudna
>I consider 4QMMT to demonstrate a relationship between the
>sectarians and the Sadducees. But the content of the scrolls
>most closely resembles the description of the Essenes in Josephus
>in my opinion. So I posit that (a) the sectarians originated in
>Maccabean times; (b) in the early Hasmonean times there was an
>amicable split between the largely priestly Sadducees and the
>sectarians; (c) that the Essenes of Josephus were the spiritual
>heirs of the sectarians who preserved their literature. The rabbis
>may have preserved memories of both the Essenes and Sadducees
>under the name Sadducees, the former being considered a subset or
>historical split-off of the latter.
I would disagree with b, since there is a lot of criticism of the
'priesthood' in the DSS, but I think that what you say is what Schiffman is
>An unsolved problem for me is Josephus' sources on the Essenes.
>Without knowing his sources, it's difficult to be certain what the
>testimony of Josephus signifies.
In his Lives he claimed to have learned from them.
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