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Re: Dss related questions (copper scroll)

Gretchen Haas wrote:
> RGmyrken@aol.com wrote
>  >David Kaufman wrote
>  >
>  >> Russell Gmyrken wrote:
>  >>  The reference to the "queen's residence" near Jericho at 6.11 surely
>  >carries
>  >>  chronological significance.  This may refer to a royal residence of a
>  >>  Herodian or Hasmonean queen [see Bargil Pixner's article, Unravelling 
> the
>  >>  Copper Scroll, 
>  >>  RevQ 11 p. 349] or (a less likely long shot) one of the Ptolemaic
>  >Cleopatra's
>  >>  who occasionally controlled portions of Palestine.
>  >>  ********
>  >>  [Kaufman responds:]
>  >>  Your right, it may refer to the residence of a Queen. The Cleopatra
who
>  >was a
>  >>  buddy of Onias IV would be a possibility. The Ptolemies probably 
> remained
>  >in
>  >>  control of, or at least in influence over, portions of the East until 
> well
>  >>  after the Hasmoneans took power. The possibility that they might have 
> had
>  >>  property there is not unreasonable. 
>  >
>  >I don't understand on what historical basis you believe the Ptolemies
>  >remained in control of and maintained property in portions of Palestine 
> into
>  >the Hasmonean period.  The was a war between Antiochus the Great and the
>  >Ptolemies' Greek-mercenary general Scopas that decided this whole issue
in
>  >200 BCE.  The Ptolemies lost and were evicted from Palestine.  It really
>  >wasn't until Herodian times (Anthony and Cleopatra) that a Ptolemaic
queen
>  >actually controlled portions of Palestine (hence my including this 
> Cleopatra
>  >as a marginally possible candidate for the "queen's residence" near
Jericho)
> .
>  
>  Josephus' Antiquites, somewhere in books 15 or 16, I think, says that
Herod 
>  the "Great" had a palace near Jericho.  In fact, he brought his whole
family 
> 
>  there, including his brother-in-law who had been High Priest for a year
and 
>  was very popular with the people.  He arranged to have his brother-in-law,

>  who was 18 at the time according to Josephus, drown in an "accident".
 Could 
> 
>  this palace be the one you are refering to?
>  
>  Gretchen A. Shapiro Haas
>  CCJS

There's many possibilities starting in Hasmonean times.  For instance, Queen
Alexandra had a fortress Alexandrion in the lower Jordan valley where she
kept part of the royal wealth  (Ant. 13.417=13.16.3); there is the fortress
Cypros near Jericho, which was named after one of the Herodian wives or
daughters; opposite the Jordan there was Betharamphta renamed Julias after
the emperor's wife (Ant. 18.27=18.2.1); and I'm sure a number of other
candidates as well.