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Re: Port or Dock.
Dear David,
I refer you to the passage from Ezekiel 47 which I cited at length in a
communication yesterday. He mentions that even after the Salt Sea will
be healed swamps will be maintained for their medicinal value. He may be
casting into the future here a quality of the sea known and exploited in
his own time.
Victor Avigdor Hurowitz
Dept. of Bible and ANE
Ben Gurion University
Beer Sheva, ISRAEL
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, David W. Suter wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, David Jay Kaufman wrote:
>
> > Speaking of the water. Does anyone know if there is evidence that
> > the Dead Sea was used as a kind of spa in ancient times? Are there
> > stories of the water's medicinal properties?
>
> In Antiquities XVII.171-72 and Jewish War I.657, Josephus reports that
> Herod the Great, at the end of his life, was taken to warm springs at
> Callirrhoe on the shore of "Lake Asphaltophoros" across the Jordan for
> medical treatment. However, the waters involved in the treatment
> are said to descend into the lake and include among their virtues the fact
> that they are sweet enough to drink, so they are obviously not from the
> lake itself. The Loeb edition includes a note that the baths there are
> mentioned in Pliny, Ptolemaeus, are shown on the Madaba Mosaic, and are
> mentioned in Genesis Rabbah 37.6.
>
> David Suter
> Saint Martin's College
>
> eading the battle against th=
> e=20
> government's policies regarding the peace process. In its literature, Zo=20
> Artzeinu advocates passive civil disobedience following the example of th=
> e=20
> late Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.=20
>
> ****
> On orders given by a senior IDF official in the Hevron area, the jeeps=20
> patrolling the area were ordered to remove the Israeli flags from the=20
> jeeps. The officer stated that it was agreed in the Oslo Accords.=20
> (SNS/Hevron..2/5).
>
> ****
>
> Nine incidents of stone throwing attacks were reported during the morning=
> =20
> rush hour on the Beit Lechem (Bethlehem) bypass road. No injuries were=20
> reported in the attacks. (SNS/Hevron..2/5).
>
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> From: schneidt@cgs.edu (Tammi)
> Subject: Re: JEhu
> To: avigdor horovitz <victor@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
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> Hi. Good question. I think that we have to remember that Jehu's
> depiction is by Assyrians and so if they did not consider the
> tassle important to putting across the image they were trying to
> promote of this type of foreigner they would not include it, but it
> does not mean that they did or did not wear them. There are not many
> depictions of Israelites from antiquity, which is why the Black Obelisk
> is so important. What is interesting, as Liz Carter pointed out, is
> that there are fringes on some of the if I am not mistaken Assyrian figures.
> They have this little tassle thing which I am not sure about the full
> art historical discussion, but I will ask Linda and look through some books.
> I had never thought about it in that way so I need to think. If I am
> not mistaken, even some of the Canaanites depicted in Egyptian objects
> from the second millennium have "CAnaanites" in their "multi colored" garments,
> some of them with tassles, but I have to check them.
>
> I will get back to you.
> When are you dating them?
> Tammi
>
>
> From owner-ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu Tue Apr 2 07:41:08 1996
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> Subject: Re: Archaeology and the media
> To: Doug Hawk <SB_DOUG@MASH.Colorado.EDU>, ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu
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> Doug Hawk wrote on March 29:
>
> Text deleted...
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> > The recent discussions on this list concerning the media and
> > its interpretation or misinterpretation of archaeological
> > facts, beliefs, and theories is similar to the concerns
> > expressed by scholars in all academic disciplines. Having
> (snip)
> > However, even with the need to sensationalize, reporters,
> > in general, want to get it right. They're like anyone else,
> > they don't want to discover after the fact that they've
> > flubbed their assignment. (There are obvious exceptions,
> (snip)
> > It's a double-edged sword:
> > media attention can translate into public interest, or
> > public disdain.
>
>
> A "double-edged sword": I could not describe it any better.
> Having worked on a video production on the excavations at
> Tell Hazor has given me a golden opportunity to see the
> interaction between "accurate data" and "popular data".
> It can be a rather difficult task to present archaeological
> material in an entertaining way...unless you do some
> sort of sensationalizing.
> I saw TV crews (others than my
> own) recording whatever was appealing and ignoring the real
> "treasures". I saw them interviewing archaeologists and
> area supervisors and obtain some unusual evidence, some
> dramatic interpretation. After all, abandoning a site due
> to a drought does not sound as attractive as having to leave
> the site due to a disease or an ominous attack.
> Yet, I believe that we can find some kind of compromise.
> Programs such as those of TLC's are pointing in that general
> direction. Maybe, some day, we will enjoy TV shows that are
> both accurate and entertaining.
> Rodrigo Silva-Manns
>
> From root@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il Tue Apr 2 07:43:10 1996
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> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 11:22:21 -0600
> From: PFlesher@uwyo.edu (Paul V. M. Flesher)
> Subject: Water Levels and a port.
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> With regard to the question of the water level in antiquity at Qumran and
> the Yam haMelek. Ein Feshka is about two miles closer to the sea than the
> Qumran site itself. De Vaux makes it clear in his _Archaeology and the
> DSS_ that the site was used by the Qumran settlement during that time. So
> if there was a port, it would have been closer to Ein Feshka than to
> Qumran.
>
> So NO, the qumran Site was not used as a port or a dock.
>
> Again, the important key to evaluating many of these suggestions and
> theories is the archaeological evidence. I do not have a copy of the first
> volume of the exacavation report (just issued by J. Humbert) at hand so
> that I can consult De Vaux's field notes, but my impression is that he did
> not find material culture that would indicate trading. The first text that
> could be interpreted as a "trade list" was found on a sherd in January by
> Jim Strange and is currently being conserved and interpreted. Until we see
> a professional report, we won't know anything further.
>
> Paul
>
> Paul V. M. Flesher
> Religious Studies
> University of Wyoming
> Laramie, WY 82071-3353
>
>
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> Subject: Will someone switch the lights on?
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> Dear long suffering Orionites (Orionians?),
>
> I hereby announce that I will be away from the list for three weeks to the
> land of Egypt where Onias set up another temple called the Onion!
>
> There is a type of imported cheese you can buy there called "La vache chi
> ris" which has a smiling cow on the packet. This comes to mind when I think
> that Hosni Mubarak has often been called "La vache chi ris" in misr. I hope
> you all note the bovine features and the happy smile!
>
> I look forward to being back to get the latest interesting posts from Orion
> around the 20th April!
>
> Bye and happy exploits!
>
> Ian Hutchesson
> PS Could someone switch the lights on and off occasionally so that noone
> notices that I'm gone?
>
> From owner-ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu Tue Apr 2 07:50:30 1996
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> To: Mark and Beth LaRocca-Pitts <LAROCCAP@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
> Cc: ANE@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Re: Israel?
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> Love it. Ra Ra Ra, Happy April Fool's
>
> From owner-ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu Tue Apr 2 07:50:38 1996
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> From: Peter Daniels <pdaniels@press-gopher.uchicago.edu>
> To: ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu, cwinter@orion.it.luc.edu
> Subject: Meroitic studies
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>
> You will find a brief treatment of Meroitic script, by Nicholas Millet, and an
> even briefer treatment of F. Ll. Griffith's deciperment thereof, by Peter T.
> Daniels, in *The World's Writing Systems* (Oxford, 1996). Both contributions
> include relevant bibliography.
>
> From owner-ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu Tue Apr 2 07:54:06 1996
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> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 23:21:10 -0500
> From: Jose Rubio Pardo <gonzalor@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
> Subject: Re: Need Help:Meroitic Studies
> In-reply-to: <Pine.A32.3.91.960401204907.88632B-100000@orion.it.luc.edu>
> To: "Clyde A. Winters" <cwinter@orion.it.luc.edu>
> Cc: ane@mithra-orinst.uchicago.edu
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> On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Clyde A. Winters wrote:
>
> > Please send information on any recent publications on Meroitic studies.
> > Thank You.
>
>
> I'm not sure if these works are recent enough, but I hope they might help
> you.
>
> M. L. Bender, "The Meroitic Problem", in M. L. Bender (ed), _Peoples and
> Cultures of the Ethno-Sudan Borderlands_, Northeast African Studies 10
> (East Lansing, MI: Michigan State Univ., 1981), 5-32.
>
> S. Donadoni & S. Wenig (ed), _Studia Meroitica 1984. Proceedings of the
> Fifth International Conference of Meroitic Studies. Rome 1984_, Meroitica
> 10. Humboldt-Universitaet zu Berlin. Bereich Aegyptologie und
> Sudanarchaeologie (Berlin: Akademie Verlag, 1989).
>
> I. Hoffmann, _Studien zum meroitischen Koenigtum_, Monographies Reine
> Elisabeth 2 (Bruxelles, 1971).
>
> L. Toeroek, _Economic Offices and Officials in Meroitic Nubia (A Study in
> Territorial Administration of the Late Meroitic Kingdom)_, Studi
> Aegyptiaca V, Etudes publiees par les chaires d'histoire ancienne de
> l'universite Lorand Eoetvoes de Budapest 26 (Budapest, 1979).
>
> ----------, _Der meroitische Staat 1. Untersuchungen und Urkunden zur
> Geschichte des Sudan im Altertum_, Meroitica 9 (Berlin: Akademie Verlag,
> 1986).
>
> B. G. Trigger & A. Heyler, _The Meroitic Funerary Inscriptions from
> Arminna West_, Publications of the Pennsylvania-Yale Expedition to Egypt
> (New Haven/Philadelphia, 1970).
>
>
> Gonzalo Rubio
> Near Eastern Studies
> Johns Hopkins University
>
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> To: Mark and Beth LaRocca-Pitts <LAROCCAP@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
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> Subject: Re: Israel?
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> Re: Israel = "Is Ra El?"
>
> This ranks up there with the suggestion that the name of Lazarus,
> whom Jesus raised from the dead, is derived from the name Osiris with the
> "Semitic determinative article 'al" tacked on the front! (Seriously -- I
> heard this suggestion on an A&E type of show on the African origins of
> Christianity a few years ago.) Thanks, Mark.
>
> Neal
>
> Neal Walls
> Emory University
> nwalls@emory.edu
>
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> Dear Ian
> Happy journey to Misr.
> 1.You won't be able to get there the cheese in question unless you spell it
> correctly: "La vache qui rit". The people there used to speack French.
> 2. For the lights, try a cheap timer. It work admirably but,
> unfortunately, it does not frighten burglars (personal experience).
> Abraham
>
>
> On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Ian Hutchesson wrote:
>
> > Dear long suffering Orionites (Orionians?),
> >
> > I hereby announce that I will be away from the list for three weeks to the
> > land of Egypt where Onias set up another temple called the Onion!
> >
> > There is a type of imported cheese you can buy there called "La vache chi
> > ris" which has a smiling cow on the packet. This comes to mind when I think
> > that Hosni Mubarak has often been called "La vache chi ris" in misr. I hope
> > you all note the bovine features and the happy smile!
> >
> > I look forward to being back to get the latest interesting posts from Orion
> > around the 20th April!
> >
> > Bye and happy exploits!
> >
> > Ian Hutchesson
> > PS Could someone switch the lights on and off occasionally so that noone
> > notices that I'm gone?
> >
>